What does it take to be real? 
In a world that often favors perfection over truth, @juliepelipas and @bonnielangedijk open up about the courage it takes to challenge systems, embrace vulnerability, and build something new. Through HURS and BETTTER, they’re reshaping the narratives we see in media and fashion—rooted in ethics, community, and the radical act of staying curious. This is a conversation about disruption, identity, and the quiet power of creating your own path. Read the full interview in ODE by Spring Issue 2—available globally in partnership with KD Presse.